The one where I can`t shut up.
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astri13Late to the party again but us dial-up folks have a hard lot in life and my clips are still pretty fuzzy. *sigh*
So, general verdict first: pretty whatever - didn`t really hate, didn`t really love and I liked the plot better when the episode was called "Nightmare" :)
Also a few words to Ben Edlund as the new guy: Not really that great on the character voices. Sam and Dean felt off in places. Also too heavy on the anvils for my taste.
I loved "Smile Time" and I can`t remember his Firefly eps but this was a pretty weak offering IMO.
I was pretty jazzed for a Sam-episode if not a Myth-arc one and this didn`t the character any favors, nor did it we learn anything all that new about the arc. There are more special kids out there? Really? And the demons plans for them are probably evil? Wow. And Sam is worried about this? Color me shocked. So, new viewers up to speed now? Good.
Cut in segments for length because I`m an overachiever. :)
Sam? I know he`s a little overthinker but how do you extrapolate from horribly abused Max turned psycho and Demon has probably not-so-nice plans to "OMG, I am monster" ?
It was like a candle tips over and a little fire starts to break out you could put out with your hand, yet Sam runs through the house screaming: "We`re all gonna die. We`re all gonna die."
If this was "Phantom Traveller" he would leave himself wide open to demonic possession. :)
Also, you wanted to go to law school so I`m not hoping criminal law or were you gonna argue your client`s case with: "OMG, I know he`s a horrible murderer" even though he was acting in total self defense?
Back in "Devil`s Trap" he gave Dean a get out of jail free-card for offing Tom, and he seemed genuine about it. Justifiably so too. So what`s with the sudden 180 ? Does Dean get special dispens? Or does he get it for saving you ? I get that he is scared and over-projects again as is his wont but in the end there he flat out declared Andy a murderer - circumstances be damned.
And of course everybody can be pushed into killing, I think that`s beside the point. I think that to satisfy Sam every PK they met would have to remain as pure as the driven snow. They would maybe, maybe ease his fears. But as things go - that`s just not gonna happen.
The irony is, he is not even seeing how much that goes against his basic philosophy of `"I`m my own man and make my own decisions." Baring flat-out possession or demonic mind-control you DO have a choice to succumb to temptation. The Demon could visit you every night in your dreams and talk till he`s blue in the face, doesn`t mean you HAVE to go evil. I could see him fearing the process, the tempation but he still is the master of his own fate. Oh, and sorry Sammy, but so far you got the wimp power. You can`t actively kill anyone with that. It`s more plausible the visions kill YOU what with them seemingly a lot more painful. You should really try to look into that.
I could see them going for the irony here with Sam being so paranoid and hyper that that`s what drives him over the edge.
And it`s not like I can`t sympathize with him, I do but he acted a bit like a headless chicken here. Which doesn`t mean dead but flailing in panic.
Dean was back in his protective role and I quite enjoyed all the boy-touching we got. ;) I found it a bit too easy how into Andy he seemed to be what with being mind-whammied twice but the guy came across as such a retard - yes, not cuddly or harmless because that was what the script was trying to convey - but someone who used that bong one too many times if you got my meaning, so I could deal.
He probably wouldn`t be cool with taking Andy with them because who in their right mind wants to be around someone who can make you his sock? See Tracey. Maybe all the people who think they should just conveniently take Andy with them might think about that.
And yeah, I laughed at the Star Wars references. I`m a SW-geek, shut up. :)
Him agreeing so readily to let Sam go alone rang somewhat false to me. In that case we should have seen them make the sniper-back-up-plan. Oh, and the whole Anson senses him from a mile away was stupid. His power was mind-control, that doesn`t lend itself to telepathy or anything like that. It would be a completely different kind of power and it felt like it was just in there to garner the "OMG, he`s gonna shoot himself" suspense which was over so fast - it was blink and you miss it.
I was glad to see Dean trying something and it was a good idea but it ended in clichéness. By which I don`t mean I wanted Dean to off the dude. No, that should have gone to Sam instead of the over-anvilious Cain and Abel scenario.
In "Bloodlust" I was annoyed they were trying to keep Sam pure or something which ticked me off for Dean. Now I`m ticked off for Sam. What goes on in story breaking? "OMG, Sam is about to take a possibly questionable and therefore interesting action and make a valueable contribution to the story. Quick, lets knock him out before that can happen and let fate take it out of his hands." Poor guy, when will the writers upgrade him for perpetual victim?
Andy? I think he did use his powers on that woman in the beginning. Because at that time we needed to be suspicious of him so he appeared shady. Later on the writers thought everybody would just forget and embrave this loveable dork. Well, not me. Yes, he came off all harmless and shit but he was still unethical and a-okay with it. Which would be okay if the show wasn`t.
"You be good"? I guess they mean he shouldn`t kill anybody but he can actively disrespect people by taking away their free will as much as he likes, huh? I don`t think he will turn evil even with his corruptive power- but only because I don`t think his bong left him enough brain-cells to be much interest to the Demon.
But seriuosly, show, think before you so readily make a joke out of something.
Oh, and of course we have the anvillious evil twin to offset his actions and put them into perspective what with the crazy rapist act. Sure, this guy was batshit and had an unhealthy attraction to his brother. *cough* But in concept him and Andy are doing the same thing.
That`s like all the people saying after "Nightmare": "See, how John was so the best father ever. See now." Uhm, no, he was better than the dude who beat his son within an inch of his life.
I`m thinner than my mother for example but fatter than a model. It`s only a matter to whom I compare myself how I came off. Same here. Compared to Anson? Sure, Andy is gold. Compared to lets say a devoted and hard-working firefighter? Not so much.
Myth-arc revelations? So okay, it doesn`t need to be the biological mother that burns, heck a mom doesn`t need to burn at all. Since my theory is that the Demon escaped from a demonic insane asylum where he was put because of his nonsensical plans, that doesn`t bother me. His whole plan makes no sense anyway. If he waits for Rosie`s generation for example to ripen the 1983 are happily pushing their midlife crisises. *g*
I argued before that immunity to mind-control among the PKs makes sense since all the other PKs could just hurt each other with their powers but the M-K could just say: "Screw the demon, you`ll all do what I say now." If Sam ends up conveniently immune to other powers or starts wildly displaying them over the board, *cough* deus ex machina *cough*, I`ll be annoyed.
And Dean had better find a way to counter-act the effect of powers used on him or the next time they`re on equal level again because he can`t very well alway come and be Super!Hostage.
Will wait for the next PK-ep.
Concerning the demon itself, well, they`re all on even ground as I don`t think he couldn`t crush them all like insects.
So, did I miss something? *g* Kidding.
The Roadhouse scenes: still like Ash though it`s annoying and contrived to have them go there to do perfectly normal research.
Ellen - I wanted to smack her at the end. "Mind your tongue, boy" ? I would have countered with "Shut your mouth, bitch." No, I don`t think she is entitled to family stuff. Yes, they helped them but I got the impression that it was offered freely. Not like you are supposed to pay for it afterwards.
Oh, and Sam you gullible, naive, sweet and 8 foot tall little idiot, running your mouth like that. They`re HUNTERS. And they obviously at least tolerate Gordon. Also, your father deliberately kept you away from them. Way to pin a big honkin target on your back. "I`m a freak. Ask me how."
And frankly, I thought Ellen`s reaction was CHILLING. "How many are there? How dangerous are they? How can we track them?" Very much no-nonsense prep for a hunt. I felt like the PKs had just been upgraded to legitimate prey - or at least downgraded from humans. I have the feeling Sam is on thin ice now.
No, Ellen didn`t just suddenly stare at him like an exotic animal but if he suddenly displayed tendencies to go demonic-evil, I`m guessing it`s "Shoot now, ask questions later".
Not that I wouldn`t find it awesome if the boys found themselves caught between a rock and a hard place - demons out to get them, hunters out to get them.
I don`t believe it though but it would be cool.
Jo? Teenybobber crush. Nuff said. And I like how Dean is annoyed/amused by her. If they keep the dynamic that way - fine. But romance is OUT. OF. THE. QUESTION. She got nothing that would make him engage in her in any meaningful way. She is totally ill-equipped to be a true emotional partner to him in any way.
Dean signing? Yeah, Jensen has a nice voice and avil aside "See, he sings her song" (Give it up, writers, them as a couple would only make sense in Bizarro-world, there is nothing there. Big brother -annoying little sister maybe.) I did believe him saying it just got stuck in his head. Happens to me all the time, especially with songs I don`t like. And yeah, I`m known to belt them out too. It`s like a compulsion.
Wow, for not really caring about this ep I really babbled about it. Sorry guys.
ETA: Oh, forgot my little OCD-project which I started out all wrong last week. Baring the Premiere of course the first four eps would be ELAC to SS.
So the new and improved hitlist looks as following:
1. Imtod - 5 stars but out of running here
1. ELAC
2. Cspwdt
3. Bloodlust
4. Simon Says
Next group up will be "No Exit" to "Croatoan" Let the games begin. Winners will battle it out at the end of the Season.
So, general verdict first: pretty whatever - didn`t really hate, didn`t really love and I liked the plot better when the episode was called "Nightmare" :)
Also a few words to Ben Edlund as the new guy: Not really that great on the character voices. Sam and Dean felt off in places. Also too heavy on the anvils for my taste.
I loved "Smile Time" and I can`t remember his Firefly eps but this was a pretty weak offering IMO.
I was pretty jazzed for a Sam-episode if not a Myth-arc one and this didn`t the character any favors, nor did it we learn anything all that new about the arc. There are more special kids out there? Really? And the demons plans for them are probably evil? Wow. And Sam is worried about this? Color me shocked. So, new viewers up to speed now? Good.
Cut in segments for length because I`m an overachiever. :)
Sam? I know he`s a little overthinker but how do you extrapolate from horribly abused Max turned psycho and Demon has probably not-so-nice plans to "OMG, I am monster" ?
It was like a candle tips over and a little fire starts to break out you could put out with your hand, yet Sam runs through the house screaming: "We`re all gonna die. We`re all gonna die."
If this was "Phantom Traveller" he would leave himself wide open to demonic possession. :)
Also, you wanted to go to law school so I`m not hoping criminal law or were you gonna argue your client`s case with: "OMG, I know he`s a horrible murderer" even though he was acting in total self defense?
Back in "Devil`s Trap" he gave Dean a get out of jail free-card for offing Tom, and he seemed genuine about it. Justifiably so too. So what`s with the sudden 180 ? Does Dean get special dispens? Or does he get it for saving you ? I get that he is scared and over-projects again as is his wont but in the end there he flat out declared Andy a murderer - circumstances be damned.
And of course everybody can be pushed into killing, I think that`s beside the point. I think that to satisfy Sam every PK they met would have to remain as pure as the driven snow. They would maybe, maybe ease his fears. But as things go - that`s just not gonna happen.
The irony is, he is not even seeing how much that goes against his basic philosophy of `"I`m my own man and make my own decisions." Baring flat-out possession or demonic mind-control you DO have a choice to succumb to temptation. The Demon could visit you every night in your dreams and talk till he`s blue in the face, doesn`t mean you HAVE to go evil. I could see him fearing the process, the tempation but he still is the master of his own fate. Oh, and sorry Sammy, but so far you got the wimp power. You can`t actively kill anyone with that. It`s more plausible the visions kill YOU what with them seemingly a lot more painful. You should really try to look into that.
I could see them going for the irony here with Sam being so paranoid and hyper that that`s what drives him over the edge.
And it`s not like I can`t sympathize with him, I do but he acted a bit like a headless chicken here. Which doesn`t mean dead but flailing in panic.
Dean was back in his protective role and I quite enjoyed all the boy-touching we got. ;) I found it a bit too easy how into Andy he seemed to be what with being mind-whammied twice but the guy came across as such a retard - yes, not cuddly or harmless because that was what the script was trying to convey - but someone who used that bong one too many times if you got my meaning, so I could deal.
He probably wouldn`t be cool with taking Andy with them because who in their right mind wants to be around someone who can make you his sock? See Tracey. Maybe all the people who think they should just conveniently take Andy with them might think about that.
And yeah, I laughed at the Star Wars references. I`m a SW-geek, shut up. :)
Him agreeing so readily to let Sam go alone rang somewhat false to me. In that case we should have seen them make the sniper-back-up-plan. Oh, and the whole Anson senses him from a mile away was stupid. His power was mind-control, that doesn`t lend itself to telepathy or anything like that. It would be a completely different kind of power and it felt like it was just in there to garner the "OMG, he`s gonna shoot himself" suspense which was over so fast - it was blink and you miss it.
I was glad to see Dean trying something and it was a good idea but it ended in clichéness. By which I don`t mean I wanted Dean to off the dude. No, that should have gone to Sam instead of the over-anvilious Cain and Abel scenario.
In "Bloodlust" I was annoyed they were trying to keep Sam pure or something which ticked me off for Dean. Now I`m ticked off for Sam. What goes on in story breaking? "OMG, Sam is about to take a possibly questionable and therefore interesting action and make a valueable contribution to the story. Quick, lets knock him out before that can happen and let fate take it out of his hands." Poor guy, when will the writers upgrade him for perpetual victim?
Andy? I think he did use his powers on that woman in the beginning. Because at that time we needed to be suspicious of him so he appeared shady. Later on the writers thought everybody would just forget and embrave this loveable dork. Well, not me. Yes, he came off all harmless and shit but he was still unethical and a-okay with it. Which would be okay if the show wasn`t.
"You be good"? I guess they mean he shouldn`t kill anybody but he can actively disrespect people by taking away their free will as much as he likes, huh? I don`t think he will turn evil even with his corruptive power- but only because I don`t think his bong left him enough brain-cells to be much interest to the Demon.
But seriuosly, show, think before you so readily make a joke out of something.
Oh, and of course we have the anvillious evil twin to offset his actions and put them into perspective what with the crazy rapist act. Sure, this guy was batshit and had an unhealthy attraction to his brother. *cough* But in concept him and Andy are doing the same thing.
That`s like all the people saying after "Nightmare": "See, how John was so the best father ever. See now." Uhm, no, he was better than the dude who beat his son within an inch of his life.
I`m thinner than my mother for example but fatter than a model. It`s only a matter to whom I compare myself how I came off. Same here. Compared to Anson? Sure, Andy is gold. Compared to lets say a devoted and hard-working firefighter? Not so much.
Myth-arc revelations? So okay, it doesn`t need to be the biological mother that burns, heck a mom doesn`t need to burn at all. Since my theory is that the Demon escaped from a demonic insane asylum where he was put because of his nonsensical plans, that doesn`t bother me. His whole plan makes no sense anyway. If he waits for Rosie`s generation for example to ripen the 1983 are happily pushing their midlife crisises. *g*
I argued before that immunity to mind-control among the PKs makes sense since all the other PKs could just hurt each other with their powers but the M-K could just say: "Screw the demon, you`ll all do what I say now." If Sam ends up conveniently immune to other powers or starts wildly displaying them over the board, *cough* deus ex machina *cough*, I`ll be annoyed.
And Dean had better find a way to counter-act the effect of powers used on him or the next time they`re on equal level again because he can`t very well alway come and be Super!Hostage.
Will wait for the next PK-ep.
Concerning the demon itself, well, they`re all on even ground as I don`t think he couldn`t crush them all like insects.
So, did I miss something? *g* Kidding.
The Roadhouse scenes: still like Ash though it`s annoying and contrived to have them go there to do perfectly normal research.
Ellen - I wanted to smack her at the end. "Mind your tongue, boy" ? I would have countered with "Shut your mouth, bitch." No, I don`t think she is entitled to family stuff. Yes, they helped them but I got the impression that it was offered freely. Not like you are supposed to pay for it afterwards.
Oh, and Sam you gullible, naive, sweet and 8 foot tall little idiot, running your mouth like that. They`re HUNTERS. And they obviously at least tolerate Gordon. Also, your father deliberately kept you away from them. Way to pin a big honkin target on your back. "I`m a freak. Ask me how."
And frankly, I thought Ellen`s reaction was CHILLING. "How many are there? How dangerous are they? How can we track them?" Very much no-nonsense prep for a hunt. I felt like the PKs had just been upgraded to legitimate prey - or at least downgraded from humans. I have the feeling Sam is on thin ice now.
No, Ellen didn`t just suddenly stare at him like an exotic animal but if he suddenly displayed tendencies to go demonic-evil, I`m guessing it`s "Shoot now, ask questions later".
Not that I wouldn`t find it awesome if the boys found themselves caught between a rock and a hard place - demons out to get them, hunters out to get them.
I don`t believe it though but it would be cool.
Jo? Teenybobber crush. Nuff said. And I like how Dean is annoyed/amused by her. If they keep the dynamic that way - fine. But romance is OUT. OF. THE. QUESTION. She got nothing that would make him engage in her in any meaningful way. She is totally ill-equipped to be a true emotional partner to him in any way.
Dean signing? Yeah, Jensen has a nice voice and avil aside "See, he sings her song" (Give it up, writers, them as a couple would only make sense in Bizarro-world, there is nothing there. Big brother -annoying little sister maybe.) I did believe him saying it just got stuck in his head. Happens to me all the time, especially with songs I don`t like. And yeah, I`m known to belt them out too. It`s like a compulsion.
Wow, for not really caring about this ep I really babbled about it. Sorry guys.
ETA: Oh, forgot my little OCD-project which I started out all wrong last week. Baring the Premiere of course the first four eps would be ELAC to SS.
So the new and improved hitlist looks as following:
1. Imtod - 5 stars but out of running here
1. ELAC
2. Cspwdt
3. Bloodlust
4. Simon Says
Next group up will be "No Exit" to "Croatoan" Let the games begin. Winners will battle it out at the end of the Season.
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Date: 2006-11-03 08:31 am (UTC)Word! You said this so well here. This is exactly how I feel about Ellen. I also just hate her, but this is a big part of why.