Meta on Ellen
Nov. 3rd, 2006 08:07 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
astri13Hm, detailed ep-review will follow later but I have to get something off my chest now. It`s about a certain female character on the show... named Ellen. Got you there, didn`t I?" This is NOT a frothing hate-rant, at least I honestly never intended it to be and I welcome opinions from fans of her just as much but right now I`m honest to god feeling very, very sad for my brothers.
Personally I rather dislike than like the character of Ellen. I feel that the role of "maternal figure" is something that has to be given or earned and can`t be demanded or just taken up because someone feels entitled to. And I never really was much for the character of "tough broad" but YMMV.
The actress is capable, moreso than Alona Tal IMO who doesn`t seem to spark with me.
And it`s not about if she had valid points last week - which I think she had in parts - or this week - where I found her behaviour to be humanly understandable but also irrational. At the end of the day HER ADULT daughter is not Dean`s or Sam`s responsibility. Yes, lying to her was somewhat stupid but if she has general beef about the life and its dangers which she chose to stay and raise her kid in btw, she has to take that up with Jo. Period. They don`t owe her. Anything. Jo is 21, she makes her own - however ill-advised decisions - and she should own up to them.
BUT leaving all that aside reading some responses to her character I truly feel like Dean and Sam - our primary heroes whom we have followed through hell and back in 25 episodes - were just stepping stones until her awesomeness arrived. And people would now happily watch her pwn the boys every episode and be her general "awesome" self. Or watch episodes with just her in it.
I get that some comments are meant jokingly but do people truly think that if Meg had marched in there in Season 1 she would NOT have slit Ellen`s throat if she so desired? Or that Max Miller couldn`t have TKed a bullet in her brain? Or Webber or even Anson could not have worked their mojo on her?
For example, I do agree with someone saying that in Dean`s car Dean can damn well say if he wants music on or not. But noes, Ellen would have so totally handed him his ass if he insisted.
Really, reading some comments it sounds like the earth trembles before her. And because she is so awesome and tough she doesn`t even get questioned, she is right and she gets her way.
And characters like that? Usually put me off.
Frankly? I get a new appreciation for Dad Winchester. The man could be an insufferable ass but at least the show acknowledged that there are always two sides to the story and that the tough old war veteran might not have a right to jerk the youngsters around at will.
Dean and Sam were, are and always will be my heroes in the show. They are the guys I care for primarely. They are the ones I wanna see fight and yes sometimes falter but also triumph. And I just don`t want a character where everybody says: "Well, they`re our little guys sure but Ellen could take them both, hands tied in the back because she so owns them."
I feel like my brothers deserve better than that. And I really want to see a scene somewhere in the future where THEY or somebody else gets to call HER on her shit.
Maybe I`m being to sensitive on the issue here, seeing as I fret over fan-reactions but hm, that`s just how I feel so LJ once again has to become my shrink`s couch. :)
And yes I know we`ll get a, what I feel is a deserved break from the roadhouse, but I feel like Dean and Sam have been abadoned for the shiny new toy which is some much bigger and better and will always be bigger and better than everything in this verse. And I don`t like that feeling. *cuddles the boys*
For me Dean&Sam will always, always PWN ALL. Ellen who?
Personally I rather dislike than like the character of Ellen. I feel that the role of "maternal figure" is something that has to be given or earned and can`t be demanded or just taken up because someone feels entitled to. And I never really was much for the character of "tough broad" but YMMV.
The actress is capable, moreso than Alona Tal IMO who doesn`t seem to spark with me.
And it`s not about if she had valid points last week - which I think she had in parts - or this week - where I found her behaviour to be humanly understandable but also irrational. At the end of the day HER ADULT daughter is not Dean`s or Sam`s responsibility. Yes, lying to her was somewhat stupid but if she has general beef about the life and its dangers which she chose to stay and raise her kid in btw, she has to take that up with Jo. Period. They don`t owe her. Anything. Jo is 21, she makes her own - however ill-advised decisions - and she should own up to them.
BUT leaving all that aside reading some responses to her character I truly feel like Dean and Sam - our primary heroes whom we have followed through hell and back in 25 episodes - were just stepping stones until her awesomeness arrived. And people would now happily watch her pwn the boys every episode and be her general "awesome" self. Or watch episodes with just her in it.
I get that some comments are meant jokingly but do people truly think that if Meg had marched in there in Season 1 she would NOT have slit Ellen`s throat if she so desired? Or that Max Miller couldn`t have TKed a bullet in her brain? Or Webber or even Anson could not have worked their mojo on her?
For example, I do agree with someone saying that in Dean`s car Dean can damn well say if he wants music on or not. But noes, Ellen would have so totally handed him his ass if he insisted.
Really, reading some comments it sounds like the earth trembles before her. And because she is so awesome and tough she doesn`t even get questioned, she is right and she gets her way.
And characters like that? Usually put me off.
Frankly? I get a new appreciation for Dad Winchester. The man could be an insufferable ass but at least the show acknowledged that there are always two sides to the story and that the tough old war veteran might not have a right to jerk the youngsters around at will.
Dean and Sam were, are and always will be my heroes in the show. They are the guys I care for primarely. They are the ones I wanna see fight and yes sometimes falter but also triumph. And I just don`t want a character where everybody says: "Well, they`re our little guys sure but Ellen could take them both, hands tied in the back because she so owns them."
I feel like my brothers deserve better than that. And I really want to see a scene somewhere in the future where THEY or somebody else gets to call HER on her shit.
Maybe I`m being to sensitive on the issue here, seeing as I fret over fan-reactions but hm, that`s just how I feel so LJ once again has to become my shrink`s couch. :)
And yes I know we`ll get a, what I feel is a deserved break from the roadhouse, but I feel like Dean and Sam have been abadoned for the shiny new toy which is some much bigger and better and will always be bigger and better than everything in this verse. And I don`t like that feeling. *cuddles the boys*
For me Dean&Sam will always, always PWN ALL. Ellen who?
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Date: 2006-11-03 08:11 pm (UTC)With Ellen I get this huge sense of personal entitlement which bugs.
Also it came very much out of left field after her "John was like family, let me kiss and cuddle you and won`t you move in" attitude earlier. I get that you`re angry (and btw, nice going Jo, letting Dean hang out to dry for your decision) but I got the feeling she knows a bit about Dean, at least his closeness to his father considering her comment in ELAC, so this was really cruel and vengeful here. And you just know Dean just takes on any guilt you throw his way, nice.
Also what`s with the Klingon attitude? The sins of the father are now visited upon the next 10 generation of children? Charming.
Hey, maybe you can really stick it to them and blab Sam`s secret to the other hunters. :(