Maybe Dean can teach him the Lamaze breathing he did in "Phantom Traveller." ;)
My current take on the twins is nature vs. nurture.
Absolutely which makes Sam`s current nature-fatalism even more paranoid. Nurture over nature any day. Poor little worry-head, see above.
She CARES about Sam and Dean, maybe because they're John's sons, who knows, but she does care. God forbid these boys have anyone concerned enough to kick their asses when they need it and not be afraid to meddle when necessary.
My problem is not even so much in what she was getting across but how she was doing it. I know others enjoy this "tough motherly woman puts Dean in his place, haha" but I resent it from the bottom of my heart. Why is this so great? Because life treated Dean so well and he is bursting with feelings of self-worth? I don`t like to see him smacked down like a little boy.
And that`s how it came across here, this "I`m your mama, you respect me." No lady, you`re not. Just as with Missouri they`re adults and pretty much strangers to her. The points she made: we help you, we`re in this fight somewhat too, so we`re in danger too are valid and I was okay with her mentioning them but this "Mind your tongue boy" made me bristle.
That`s not the way you talk to a collegue, not even a younger one. That`s the way a mother figure talks and she in no way has earned that right with Dean and Sam IMO. Just because she knew John or worries about them or whatever is not enough. It`s that sense of entitlement I hate.
I`m absolutely cool with anyone calling either brother on his shit when a)he is behaving in a way that calls for this, like Dean with the father in Cspwdt and b)in a manner you adress an adult. Especially when you`re not in a comfort zone of friends or family. Which again is a place earned/given and not demanded.
she's not enough for Dean, she's not getting through to him, and it would be interesting to see her become important to him, romance or little sister.
She would to mature greatly before I could see him being interested in her and not find it in insult to his character. Look, Dean goes for Lolitas. :( And maturity can`t be rushed either. As the character is portrayed now I`d say she needs at least a few years before I`d believe there is something about her to engage her.
I know the jaded war veteran and the young girl fresh from the convent is a beloved token in romance novels but please, please not in this show.
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Date: 2006-10-29 10:43 am (UTC)Maybe Dean can teach him the Lamaze breathing he did in "Phantom Traveller." ;)
My current take on the twins is nature vs. nurture.
Absolutely which makes Sam`s current nature-fatalism even more paranoid.
Nurture over nature any day. Poor little worry-head, see above.
She CARES about Sam and Dean, maybe because they're John's sons, who knows, but she does care. God forbid these boys have anyone concerned enough to kick their asses when they need it and not be afraid to meddle when necessary.
My problem is not even so much in what she was getting across but how she was doing it. I know others enjoy this "tough motherly woman puts Dean in his place, haha" but I resent it from the bottom of my heart. Why is this so great? Because life treated Dean so well and he is bursting with feelings of self-worth? I don`t like to see him smacked down like a little boy.
And that`s how it came across here, this "I`m your mama, you respect me." No lady, you`re not. Just as with Missouri they`re adults and pretty much strangers to her. The points she made: we help you, we`re in this fight somewhat too, so we`re in danger too are valid and I was okay with her mentioning them but this "Mind your tongue boy" made me bristle.
That`s not the way you talk to a collegue, not even a younger one. That`s the way a mother figure talks and she in no way has earned that right with Dean and Sam IMO.
Just because she knew John or worries about them or whatever is not enough. It`s that sense of entitlement I hate.
I`m absolutely cool with anyone calling either brother on his shit when a)he is behaving in a way that calls for this, like Dean with the father in Cspwdt and b)in a manner you adress an adult. Especially when you`re not in a comfort zone of friends or family. Which again is a place earned/given and not demanded.
she's not enough for Dean, she's not getting through to him, and it would be interesting to see her become important to him, romance or little sister.
She would to mature greatly before I could see him being interested in her and not find it in insult to his character. Look, Dean goes for Lolitas. :(
And maturity can`t be rushed either. As the character is portrayed now I`d say she needs at least a few years before I`d believe there is something about her to engage her.
I know the jaded war veteran and the young girl fresh from the convent is a beloved token in romance novels but please, please not in this show.
As a mentor/young protegé or big brother/little sister I can totally see them though.