It has begun...
Sep. 12th, 2009 05:15 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
astri13Yup, it's THAT time again. *g*
So, what did I think of
All in all, not as good as IMTOD or Lazarus but way more solid than Mag7. I think it was pretty heavy on plot because it had to establish this year's arc and less so on characterization.
- The "escape" from the comment as well as Castiel's miraculous recovery and 11th hour save? Yes, those were classic deus ex machinas. It's the very definition of them but I am willing to swallow those every now and then for the sake of plot.
- Also, I do have a fondness for people watching cartoons on planes. Rollerbots!!! (Sorry, inside joke) And the "devil" telling Yosemite Sam he could use a guy like him - kind of less on the nose meta so I like it.
- the "fangirl" - em, liked the Galaxy Quest reference but it was maybe a bit too on the nose meta. Not that I felt mocked through her all that much because quite frankly? I would have had the opposite reaction she had. :-p
- Meg - I liked the new actress. And for some reason the kiss was hilarious to me.
But what about the "you are a slow, dim, dumb pain in the ass"? Did she swallow a thesaurus? That were three different words with exactly the same meaning. I mean, she didn't say to Sam "hello, you tall, big, huge guy" either. I'm sorry but when people talk fuzzy like that, it irks me somehow. I wouldn't have blinked if she had said something like "hey there, you always were a dumb, annoying bastard" or something like this. At least that's different insults in the same sentence.
- Lucifer/Nick - heh, old Nick. *g*
The way Lucifer tortured this man was chillingly cruel and eased my fears about all this "Lucifer is that nice guy" interview talk. He is manipulative and faux-empathetic and the opposite of Zach's brute force approach but no less evil. "I don't lie" - a) convincing, dude because you can't lie about not lying and b) it served you to tell the truth here to appear sympathetic.
Also "God wrong you, I can give you revenge." Hilarious, Lucy, when you just stated how mean God was to put these pathetic humans over you. You don't care if God wrongs any of us, you are bitter and angry that God wronged YOU and YOU want revenge on him. Threw a tantrum about it once and now at it again. (I swear I'm not crazy even though I directly address fictional devils in a TV show :)
That the guy ultimately let him in, I thought was a parallel to Season 4 with Ruby and what the angels want now. Reasons may be good and understandable but if you are going against what you know deep down is wrong, then the results won't be pretty. As such, I don't really have sympathy for the devil.
- Bobby
That he was possessed - well, not all that surprising about the huge teasing JB and EK did on that front. I liked the fact that he fought down possession as not to harm Dean but I still have huge, huge issues with what he said in the Finale to Dean
because I just can't identify with the underlying message of that. At all. Forget everything on how Dean of all people knows what it is like to sacrifice for family and knows very well how to take epic crap from them but "family is SUPPOSED to make you miserable"
and when you remove yourself from that situation or even consider that you are whiny and cowardly? Sounds more like slavery and less like family to me.
And the fact that he didn't explain or apologize for that particular rant makes me think he believes that. Which means, I don't think he is a good person to be around Dean and his issues. I waited four painstakingly long years to get some growth away
from the intense family mindset on Dean's part and I'll be damned if I watch it get taken back again. Sorry but nope.
Also, at least Bobby should apply that equal opportunity. I liked that he stated that he wouldn't cut out Sam and that was surely something Sam needed to hear but how about "yeah, it was goddamn stupid and I'm helluva angry but I wouldn't throw you out of my life over it"? You don't do people any favours by patting them on the head with an immediate "it's all forgiven". And you don't do recovering addicts any favours by that kind of enabling. You make it harder for them to resist because they know consequences will be less severe.
- Castiel
YAY. power-upgrade. At least as far as fighting goes. Sad to see so little of him but I guess they couldn't cram more into it.
- Sam
He was very subdued in the episode, very apologetic and in kicked puppy mod and I did feel for him. He tried. He tried to own up to what he did, he tried to tell the truth - Ruby and the hex bags - he tried talking. And it is all a good start. But I also don't grant insta-forgiveness because of it. Last Season the character was more interesting to me than he had been in a long time but that didn't mean I agreed with him. In fact, I had MUCHO issues with him, just like way back when with Dean's deal. One took actually going to hell again before we could "make up". And I assume it will take also a lot of work here.
- Dean
Loved his neverending slew of insults at Zach who btw is finally a character I love to hate. He is such an oily bastard. :)
Loved him standing firm to the angels' threats. You know, guys, if you hadn't come out with your little "lalala, surprise, we want the apokalypse too" spiel at the 11th hour, Dean might not distrust you so much.
And most of all, loved him being honest in that last scene. Nothing in their relationship would have gotten better if he had tried to ignore it or continue to pretend or lied about forgiving when he clearly didn't. It would be like painting a house that is falling apart on the inside. It looks nice but the foundation doesn't hold.
Also, I thought it was necessary because I believe they miscommunicated. Sam was apologetic for the seal-breaking and seemed to assume that Dean was equally angry about it but Dean specified that it was solely about their relationship. THAT is a ground to fix things. You can't work on your issues if both parties aren't on the same page as to what those issues are.
I also liked that he didn't offer false hopes. Somehow I really dislike that. "Oh, I'm sure I'll forgive you in time" when the person isn't sure they can. Then don't SAY it to me, asshat, and string me along.
Nevertheless, with the way the scene played out, things look far less grim to me - the outside observer than they might be to the people at the center of it. Now I have hope for an adult relationship. Not like that :-p
Lets see where we go from here...
So, what did I think of
All in all, not as good as IMTOD or Lazarus but way more solid than Mag7. I think it was pretty heavy on plot because it had to establish this year's arc and less so on characterization.
- The "escape" from the comment as well as Castiel's miraculous recovery and 11th hour save? Yes, those were classic deus ex machinas. It's the very definition of them but I am willing to swallow those every now and then for the sake of plot.
- Also, I do have a fondness for people watching cartoons on planes. Rollerbots!!! (Sorry, inside joke) And the "devil" telling Yosemite Sam he could use a guy like him - kind of less on the nose meta so I like it.
- the "fangirl" - em, liked the Galaxy Quest reference but it was maybe a bit too on the nose meta. Not that I felt mocked through her all that much because quite frankly? I would have had the opposite reaction she had. :-p
- Meg - I liked the new actress. And for some reason the kiss was hilarious to me.
But what about the "you are a slow, dim, dumb pain in the ass"? Did she swallow a thesaurus? That were three different words with exactly the same meaning. I mean, she didn't say to Sam "hello, you tall, big, huge guy" either. I'm sorry but when people talk fuzzy like that, it irks me somehow. I wouldn't have blinked if she had said something like "hey there, you always were a dumb, annoying bastard" or something like this. At least that's different insults in the same sentence.
- Lucifer/Nick - heh, old Nick. *g*
The way Lucifer tortured this man was chillingly cruel and eased my fears about all this "Lucifer is that nice guy" interview talk. He is manipulative and faux-empathetic and the opposite of Zach's brute force approach but no less evil. "I don't lie" - a) convincing, dude because you can't lie about not lying and b) it served you to tell the truth here to appear sympathetic.
Also "God wrong you, I can give you revenge." Hilarious, Lucy, when you just stated how mean God was to put these pathetic humans over you. You don't care if God wrongs any of us, you are bitter and angry that God wronged YOU and YOU want revenge on him. Threw a tantrum about it once and now at it again. (I swear I'm not crazy even though I directly address fictional devils in a TV show :)
That the guy ultimately let him in, I thought was a parallel to Season 4 with Ruby and what the angels want now. Reasons may be good and understandable but if you are going against what you know deep down is wrong, then the results won't be pretty. As such, I don't really have sympathy for the devil.
- Bobby
That he was possessed - well, not all that surprising about the huge teasing JB and EK did on that front. I liked the fact that he fought down possession as not to harm Dean but I still have huge, huge issues with what he said in the Finale to Dean
because I just can't identify with the underlying message of that. At all. Forget everything on how Dean of all people knows what it is like to sacrifice for family and knows very well how to take epic crap from them but "family is SUPPOSED to make you miserable"
and when you remove yourself from that situation or even consider that you are whiny and cowardly? Sounds more like slavery and less like family to me.
And the fact that he didn't explain or apologize for that particular rant makes me think he believes that. Which means, I don't think he is a good person to be around Dean and his issues. I waited four painstakingly long years to get some growth away
from the intense family mindset on Dean's part and I'll be damned if I watch it get taken back again. Sorry but nope.
Also, at least Bobby should apply that equal opportunity. I liked that he stated that he wouldn't cut out Sam and that was surely something Sam needed to hear but how about "yeah, it was goddamn stupid and I'm helluva angry but I wouldn't throw you out of my life over it"? You don't do people any favours by patting them on the head with an immediate "it's all forgiven". And you don't do recovering addicts any favours by that kind of enabling. You make it harder for them to resist because they know consequences will be less severe.
- Castiel
YAY. power-upgrade. At least as far as fighting goes. Sad to see so little of him but I guess they couldn't cram more into it.
- Sam
He was very subdued in the episode, very apologetic and in kicked puppy mod and I did feel for him. He tried. He tried to own up to what he did, he tried to tell the truth - Ruby and the hex bags - he tried talking. And it is all a good start. But I also don't grant insta-forgiveness because of it. Last Season the character was more interesting to me than he had been in a long time but that didn't mean I agreed with him. In fact, I had MUCHO issues with him, just like way back when with Dean's deal. One took actually going to hell again before we could "make up". And I assume it will take also a lot of work here.
- Dean
Loved his neverending slew of insults at Zach who btw is finally a character I love to hate. He is such an oily bastard. :)
Loved him standing firm to the angels' threats. You know, guys, if you hadn't come out with your little "lalala, surprise, we want the apokalypse too" spiel at the 11th hour, Dean might not distrust you so much.
And most of all, loved him being honest in that last scene. Nothing in their relationship would have gotten better if he had tried to ignore it or continue to pretend or lied about forgiving when he clearly didn't. It would be like painting a house that is falling apart on the inside. It looks nice but the foundation doesn't hold.
Also, I thought it was necessary because I believe they miscommunicated. Sam was apologetic for the seal-breaking and seemed to assume that Dean was equally angry about it but Dean specified that it was solely about their relationship. THAT is a ground to fix things. You can't work on your issues if both parties aren't on the same page as to what those issues are.
I also liked that he didn't offer false hopes. Somehow I really dislike that. "Oh, I'm sure I'll forgive you in time" when the person isn't sure they can. Then don't SAY it to me, asshat, and string me along.
Nevertheless, with the way the scene played out, things look far less grim to me - the outside observer than they might be to the people at the center of it. Now I have hope for an adult relationship. Not like that :-p
Lets see where we go from here...
